Period. If so, get ready for one team member to be the designated DevOps person because now complexity goes up a fair amount. But I'm not alone in facing this problem. You can also copy the code and modify it according to your requirements. - GIT, Composer, Drupal Console, and Drush). Facebook is the place for identity, not a random url. Since my update procedure consists of replacing the Core and Vendor directories and running composer update, I do not see why the replacement steps cannot be put into the composer workflow. (Please RT.). There’s just way fewer of them vs WordPress. That said, the paid themes do look good and offer a good variety of design and functionality. There's no doubt Drupal 8 has a great feature set, a thoroughly-tested core codebase, is excellent as a general site-building tool, and is primed for the building great (and 'ambitious') digital experiences. While Drupal is nice, overall, the advantage for ease of use goes to WordPress – and it’s not even close. With the help of some extensions, you can create stunning multimedia content that … It's a great tool, no doubt about that. Drupal 8 saw many improvements from the Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines (ATAG) 2.0 guidelines which support both an accessible authoring environment as well as support for authors to produce more accessible content. Bugs. We’ve written about this before. Along the same theme as the previous topic, Drupal rearchitected most of the foundational bits of code (the menu routing system, the HTTP request system, the Block system, the Entity system—pretty much everything except maybe Forms API) on top of Symfony, a very robust and widely-used PHP Framework. Was the lack of Symfony underpinnings the reason they didn't use Drupal before? Didn't Microsoft (finally) had the courage to cut backwards support some years ago for (I think) Office? I think the raw numbers of websites using Wordpress may hide that difficult fact. But the slow adoption of D7 plugins to D8 (which were practically nil) well, honestly, they just decided to go with a cheaper solution - Wordpress.. Make composer optional everywhere. I think as someone mention above - Drupal is no longer intended for small/medium sites but only for larger enterprise level sites. With all of the above, they need to be able to innovate, prototype, and iterate QUICKLY. - Have a hosting service that allows you to connect in ssh for git transactions. Drupal can be a good tool, but I want better tools. Worse, although that's a different topic, Drupal 8 is not even yet capable of the basic media management every other CMS out there can (hint: basic is not just "adding a file into a website and display it": it's "providing a clean way for an end-user to upload, edit, display and reuse images and videos"). At Viget, we can figure out what the best solution is to a problem. I've worked with Drupal since D5 and painfully watched the platform be a follower. Drupal development is abysmally slow. Drupal has pretty good caching (though obviously it's not making things easy for Bradley!) But having one standard way to build and maintain Drupal codebases will be better in the end, because right now it can be quite messy, especially for those who downloaded Drupal as a tarball and use no CI system. 3. And I don't blame them. Few comments: It’s worth noting that Drupal didn’t invent modules, nor is it the only platform that has a concept like modules. All that makes Drupal best for large sites: if you need a lot of customization, high bandwidth, extensive guaranteed uptime, etc., then Drupal is an excellent choice. Drupal modules can be easily installed. - If you compare D8 usage statistics on d.o. - features is almost impossible to use However, the architecture of some modules make them hard to extend or modify. And these benefits are massive for new site builds or migrations from outside the Drupal ecosystem into Drupal. Recently I’ve taken over some Craft projects. Drupal is enterprise-ready for the world’s busiest websites like GRAMMY.com and The Olympics where failure is not an option. In the current culture many module maintainers decline to commit very necessary patches for want of test coverage, which is preventing essential features and modules getting stable releases. Since our clients mostly fit in the small business category, we have struggled to push our project budgets high enough to be profitable on Drupal 8 projects, as we were on Drupal 7 projects. The promise of modules is oversold. I really enjoy developing with Drupal - as we do a lot of enterprise type sites and Drupal let's us do whatever we want - but these painpoints are PAINful. Good for creating large, complex websites Free and open source code: Drupal is completely free which allows it to compete with other similar CMSs like Joomla and WordPress. We have come up with reasons to go off-the-shelf or to go custom-built. In fact, this is multisite without Drupal multisite feature as we know it from D7. Those who fail to move forward and fail take a step into the future with Drupal >8 are missing more than just being stuck in old technology. I'm building my own site on Grav because it's sort of like a mini Drupal. There are other practical applications; ♂️. While I've gotten more comfortable with it, I still hate it. 5. If I got ill, send someone else and the work continues. Definitely not. .. From a financial perspective.. Drupal is absolutely dead.. And, honestly, at this point, if you get to choose, as a new project, d8 or Symfony, why in the world are you not going to just choose symfony? Composer - we could argue about issues, but again comparing with D7, biggest progress made. (And it doesn't help for anything but a static site, like a brochure site.). He understood both the front end and backend needs. different folders), or in my case HA applications which are separately hosted. Especially in contrib, the expectation for tests should be relaxed. Drupal is good? That solution may be a static website, a solution with Contentful, a Craft site, a custom-built CMS, or something we haven’t thought of yet. “Look at all these modules, so many modules!”. Drupal 8 has all of this, and could with some imagination be packaged in a way that would let me continue using it for the kind of sites I regularly build. That said, I also know people who left Drupal because they didn't want to learn all this new knowledge. Decouple Drupal usage from those encroaching things I mentioned above (i.e. Jeff, Drupal needs to stop being scared of leading and take the reigns. It's not really a great choice for an advanced complicated website (Drupal definitely wins out there). It's what would bring designers and developers and web builders flocking to the platform, because it has so much else going for it. But sadly the instability of the core isn't ready for those projects either. Drupal has a way of making things that should be trivially easy into nightmares that waste huge amounts of time, millions and millions of dollars worth of time across the industry, things that are NECESSARY to get a site launched, and hence, unavoidable. 100s of government websites, we created in ultimately D7 over a course of almost 10 years.. Well, not one single client out of 100s wanted to upgrade to D8. It is not intuitive and there has been a lack of focus on the user experience. His response was that Commerce would always cater to the programmers. Here are seven heresies which could lead to Drupal nirvana, if anyone dares whisper them: It is enterprise-class software: In terms of scalability, flexibility, reliability, manageability, security, … Because of … Debugging—for those not used to a full-fledged debugger—is also a lot different. I'm floored at how far along it has come, how much it is like D7 (yet subtly different) and how many "needed" contribs have been ported over. So... a lot of people mention that because more people build custom Node.js-based single page apps using the MEAN stack, or now do hip and trendy 'full stack development', and Drupal is some old monolith, Drupal has been left in the dust. Integrate some sort of linting framework lest you hit deprecated code and weird syntax issues. Churchill's defense of democracy came at a time when the notion of democracy was under a … We should have a JS frontend right now, but Dries has been too cautious trying to figure out which framework will last. It's the power of what you can do with the admin interface. The good thing about WordPress is that you can handle most tasks by yourself, provided you know where to look. Drupal isn’t bad, Drupal is good. WordPress and Drupal are both Content Management Systems (CMS). Leo I don't work on a Drupal project at the moment - or perhaps even any more - all (bar one) the sites I was responsible for in my current company have been migrated over to other platforms. Drupal 7 suited my needs for ambitious but smallish community and business websites, primarily because of a large stable of mature modules, an awesome way to model content and create custom content types, and of course Views. I don’t want to dismiss Drupal outright. Drupal has some nice elements in its CMS, but overall, WordPress is the easiest tool to use. But if a business—no matter how local or small it may be—only has a Facebook page, or has an updated Facebook page but some 1990s GoDaddy website, it's not going to receive as much consideration as a business with a halfway-decent, maintained website on its own domain. Right now however, I'm being forced to use the abomination that is Wordpress to build my latest project, and I hate it. Simple things as how to publish my content on social media, the update process (love Joomla) and a few more. Drupal has a reputation for being strong in functionality and having a strong community, but weak when it comes to design. I'm not speaking in the hypothetical here; this is exactly what happened with the Honeypot module. But at the other end of the scale it's increasingly having to compete with the likes of Wix and Squarespace. Reality check for you: MANY MANY content creators over the world are NOT developers, NEITHER webdesigner. Let's get an improvement in place NOW, and THEN argue about whether it could be still better... jeez. Architecturally, almost every major change that resulted in the Drupal 8 we know and love (and sometimes shake our fists at!) Drupal (as an organization) never respected the fact how their decisions would affect the budgets of those who had heavily adopted in them before.. ... for a while, my organization tried HARD to stay with Drupal.. There are some massive benefits, like the fact that it is easier to use modern programming paradigms, dependency management tools, and site architecture. Reported in August 2012, first patch was submitted in November 2012, still not fixed, #1329742 Autocomplete with tagging silently discards invalid input Instead it's driving them away. We're now started working with various players in the ecosystem to launch a solution - A collaboration of various agencies, hosting companies and our site builder (www.cohesiondx.com which cuts the effort in theming Drupal sites by 80%). Anyone saying to use the command line or get out of the admin interface and into an IDE is going down the wrong path (unless, perhaps, it an entirely decoupled theming layer). And, more than just supporting high traffic sites, Drupal will scale with your business and your brands for your next-generation digital transformation and allow you to evolve down the road without skipping a beat. Drupal is often good, but good isn’t always good enough. Drupal is a good framework for building sites accessible to people with disabilities, because many of the best practices have been incorporated into Drupal Core. I view every significant architectural change in D8 as necessary, and in the long run, advantageous. By contrast, platforms like Craft and Contentful, have made admin UX a focus. #1349080 node_access filters out accessible nodes when node is left joined and so for anonymous users, benchmarks faster than Joomla from what I've seen. Here's a memo to anyone in favor of those things: the whole point of a system like Drupal is to make doing things, easier. Drupal’s editing feature is easy to use and understand. Have a CI/build process because a modern Drupal site can't usually be managed and run in one Git codebase and branch, checked out on a production server. They are people that just want an easy way to structurate and publish data. But what sets it apart is its flexibility; modularity is one of its core principles. Most of the comments say much of what I want to say, so I'll keep mine brief. ), at least at first glance. Drupal hosting companies will make it easy to get set up, and help you run updates. ", Just last night (At the DrupalCon agency leaders dinner) this came up and specifically how do we move the 800k websites when the theming costs have risen so much on D8 v D7. I could have predicted these struggles for Drupal 8 since computing history has shown that you loose anytime you take a programming platform popular in large part because it has a relatively low barrier to entry, and then evolve it to require more skill to use. In particular I was drawn to the section "Themes have to be rebuilt" and your insight, "But this is in many cases the straw that breaks the camel's back. Thanks for your reflections! The market for Themes, Distributions, and Modules is pretty huge in Drupal. Reported in February 2011, first patch came on the same day, still not fixed, #1679344 Race condition in node_save() when not using DB for cache_field - no php code in auto node titles, custom tokens, etc, etc - so the slightest tweak of something requires a custom module. In reply to It is not possible to keep by Valentino Medimorec. to make a new Drupal 8 site that the client expects within a few months. I think that the last of these statements is very much a deliberate effort on the part of the Drupal head honchos, and perhaps necessary to better secure Drupal's long-term future. Read more This isn’t exclusive to the Drupal community though, and we should see “the community” for what it is: marketing. And... cater to your audience! But as soon as Drupal is in charge of the whole thing, then everything slows down, everything relies on senior Drupal developers, and everything has to be rebuild in a few years. 3. I couldn't care less about the latest object-oriented design pattern or way of managing dependencies. If you remove all of that stuff, you get CMS which will use masses for small sites, easy install, make few pages and that is that? 2. I also understand the pain of waiting on modules to transition to 8. Truth be told, many of them would be best advised to migrate to Wordpress as it's less expensive to develop and maintain and provides a simpler admin experience out of the box. If Drupal is ever the best solution for your project we will tell you, because we will want to use it. Also applicable for all roles - site builders, developers, etc.. And for many of the Drupal 7 sites I've built and worked on, this is probably where the majority of the effort would need to happen. And to get good performance, more and more people are turning to static builds like Tome Static, which is sort of a way of decoupling anyway (in that the resulting HTML gets exported and served from somewhere else). So, for me, the pain has moved from the site itself to the deployment workflow. Although I could muddle my way through on earlier version of Drupal, they never felt quite like a complete CMS. Thank you for your thoughts, I fully agree on you. For example, this whole Composer thing: are we really going to pretend that everyone is okay with being forced to use that just to install something like Drupal Commerce!? Drupal isn't WordPress or SquareSpace or Wix, and can't compete with them for dead simple things, and shouldn't try (and by not trying, actually stands a chance of BECOMING good at building simple sites as it gets better at building complex ones). Thank you for taking time to share your thoughts on the moderate adoption of Drupal 8. Fast forward a few months, development seed is no longer there, OpenAtrium sucks with Phase2. So trying to manage a modern Drupal 8 codebase with Composer and having the ability to have different copies/versions of different modules inside the codebase is... not quite impossible, but can be very close to that. Want to deploy Docker containers? We are pretty late here btw. There are zillions of bugs and broken features sitting in issue queues for YEARS with fixes never making it into production releases. The dollar cost alone from running 1 Drupal production server to 6 prevents me from even considering it (most of these sites are maintained by me gratis). You can't resolve two decades worth of architectural assumptions and dependency cruft in one major release. Who do you think wins? See Google Trends to notice the drastic drop of interest over time. Article Categories: It is search engine friendly. Prioritize improving documentation. This fact has been beaten to death, so you can read more about that elsewhere, or see the current usage graph here and yes, not every site reports back to Drupal.org, so those numbers are not perfect... but it's the best data we have to work with. Thanks for writing this article. In practice, every module introduces a point of failure while running updates. Oh my GOD, there's no place these days or time for DRUPAL's 8 super crazy complexes :-), This is the truth, like it or not hahahha :-), In reply to I summarize it all in couple by D7. ), and most of my older postings still highlight current problems in using Drupal and Composer together. Stop trying to compete with different technologies, and just try to be the best at being what you already are! Modules and the modular architecture of Drupal are good. That's not the kind of feeling you want your developers to have!!!!! Reasons for Choosing Drupal: Drupal is a good choice over WordPress for projects that require a searchable database, where Views is at its best.WordPress is a better choice for SEO-focused projects because of Rank Math and other great SEO tools that exist only in the WordPress ecosystem. With 'ambitious digital experiences' being the new market Drupal targets, should I still build [insert any kind of non-enterprise type of website here] on it? Projects can then be hosted on the same server (etc. I don't blame them, not at all; it's a tough decision you have to make to balance your career desires and opportunities, and everyone has to make their own decision. D8, and D9 - they are dead. But nor is it Laravel or Symfony or Django, let alone Node, so trying to compete with them is a waste of time too. Often, the reality is that Drupal is a higher-risk, lower-quality choice compared to other platforms. In recent years, with the help of Digital experience platforms (DXP), global companies are focusing on creating a better digital experience that effectively … Fun for hobbyists and completists, but if you want to get things done, I dont' have time to look at that. Others chose more familiar pastures and either moved on to some other PHP-based CMS or switched to some other ecosystem. This means that sometimes the module you need may not be ready for primetime, may not be well maintained, or may not exist at all. The experience of managing a Drupal site is frustrating. Drupal is open source software released under the GNU Public License. One of the few huge differentiators between Drupal and most other CMSes has always been the ability to run 'multisite' installations. They underestimate how far its neglect is harming the wider ecosystem. Instead focus on what Drupal can DO for developers trying to build websites, what it can do to make their lives easier, what it can do to solve their problems rather than create new ones. However, it is not built on it, … Dries got aquified. And developers and site builders will still need to know these concepts and technologies for when things break. In this post, we’ll compare Drupal vs WordPress side by side and discuss the pros and cons of each platform. Five (5) years ago, back in 2014: https://mikeschinkel.com/2014/the-decline-of-drupal-or-how-to-fix-drupa…. They’ll help you create and edit your content. Symfony has a similar issue. I have a few sites on D8 as minor testbeds however D7 is not only more stable, but flat out faster and easier to use for a front-end developer. At the end of your post you mention Wordpress again in terms of "sticking it's head in the sand" with regards to modern best practices. This cr… This is annotation, and it's a Drupal thing. Drupal, by online software standards, is a very secure content management system (CMS). In reply to This is annotation, and it's by devkinetic. The ability to control the HTML generated by a Drupal site is one of the huge pain points. The more custom code, the more difficult the decision. It was hands down cheaper to extract my clients' data from Drupal and import it into wordpress rather than wait on the Core or Plugin upgrades to follow suit. Drupal just has some of their own custom annotations, but the concept is not drupal specific. It is doing some good and plenty harm. In deciding which cms to use, it is important to make the right decision, especially when considering design features. Here are a few examples that also explain some of my own reasons for frustration, some issues just don't get fixed. Like I said, most of them aren't afraid of HTML, or simple PHP even, but the complexities of modern PHP development? As it is, Drupal 8 down as is "too" good for most existing Drupal users, and not good enough for more advanced developers because the Drupal name drags its does for those who would never consider using Drupal. Try as we might (as a general web development community), the number of sites using a strict frontend design system where the design is decoupled from the theme itself, and can evolve and be migrated from one system to another, is vanishingly small. I admit that I am guilty of running two Drupal 7 sites with a very large amount of custom code. The world moved on since Drupal 7. Case-in-point is Drupal Commerce. I've tried others such as October CMS and Grav CMS. I am implementing my first D8 Block as a plugin. Well I do feel sorry for people trying to use Drupal together with PostgreSQL. Nate Haug is another who understands both sides but the community lost him too. You could use it in a clean way, or taking some shortcuts, or in unclean way. We won’t deny that Drupal is complex, especially compared to WordPress, but it’s because of that complexity that it has a lot of advanced functionality as well. I didn’t need to be part of a Craft community to become productive in a Craft project, I just had to read their documentation, and since the system is more intuitive everything was easier. The “Drupal Learning Curve” may be a developer’s joke, but administrators, content creators, and maintainers of Drupal sites can probably relate to it. In 99% of the sites I've seen, very little of the frontend code from Drupal 7 could be quickly moved to Drupal 8. recently a friend of mine ask me to create a website and I re-take Drupal 8. However, Drupal is... weird. It is used on D7 also? To mitigate this, it will be a combination of the initiative that is teaching composer to update Drupal more easily plus hosting companies continuing to offer "out-of-the-box" configurations that help developers with the above. But building a site with a huge part of custom code? DEFINITELY not what I would write by hand. I had to dig through custom module code. I've been having a rough time getting used to debugging Drupal 8. Composer is even "worse". With that, we could share a codebase, but have multiple projects built. I don't care about someone's personal fetishes, the color of their skin, or bullshit gender identification. Why pay for hosting, setup and development when you get 89% of the use case with social platforms? Can Drupal be made easier? I left Drupal behind to build better sites, using the best tools. That's another big reason to push away lots of users. So, you’ll be able to publish content created with text, images, videos, and more, without the need to write code. I recently installed simplenews which blewup the site. Maybe a few theme and form hooks, and a few CSS files, but the theme is usually very deep and complex, and most organizations use an upgrade as an opportunity to sink another chunk of money into refreshing their site's themes anyways. And yes, the legacy ,knowledge and community should be considered. These modifications introduce possible problems to the update flow. It may be noted that many of the more 'ambitious' Drupal 6 sites also needed a full migration to Drupal 7 and couldn't be directly upgraded—but for the long tail of smaller sites which usually used core modules and a smattering of contrib modules, and had little if any custom code, the upgrade.php process worked quite well, and resulted in hundreds of thousands of site upgrades that I don't believe we will see with Drupal 7 to Drupal 8. If it were simple and just plain automated updates that I didn't have to learn anything about, THE WAY WORDPRESS HAS BEEN DOING FOR YEARS, then I'd be on board, but that's not what I see. Drupal can be a good option for sites that will use a lot of custom content types and taxonomies (called vocabularies in Drupal). It is not possible to keep all happy, small, medium and big consumers of Drupal. There are some nice aspects to D8 OO system and some of it is better documented now than it was 2 years in but "feature base" of D7 (core/contrib) is still a long ways from being migrated to D8. In any case, the new architecture has more complexity than the old; and because of this, it's almost a necessity to adopt the following: Along with all the other changes, Drupal's theme system was completely swapped out—it went from using the unholy monster that was PHPTemplate to a clean, new, standard system from Symfony, Twig. The idea of composer is great however the execution of it is horrible. In the context of modular core, only include in vendor/ folder the required items, and anyway thin out vendor/ as far as possible. I write this in Jan of 2020 and STILL most of the components we used successfully in D7 don't even have a D8 version. But even with that smaller user base, Drupal still sees usage by top companies. It’s arguably the most secure of the big three open source CMSs (Drupal, WordPress & Joomla!) Some Drupal developers who are not classically-trained (like me! They seem the think clients are gleefully going to shell out 5 and 6 figures to rebuild their application/site simply because Drupal says so by doing this bone-headed and tone-deaf maneuver. Drupal's always been there, and they chose Symfony, why on earth did anyone think they'd suddenly want to use Drupal? Part of the new knowledge is simply that making websites is getting more complicated and uses more and more varied technologies. What about some solid proposals to ameliorate the problems? Even without any prior Craft experience I was able to get up and running far quicker than on Drupal projects. Point is, Drupal has always lagged behind because the platform literally lags behind. My sites I always build with Joomla. In reply to Try to think a bit more out by G. You still need to own your digital identity; even if you have an identity on some other social services, you need a solid web presence that you own and maintain on your own domain to earn trust in the digital economy. Cui bono? Sometimes one little checkbox buried in the third page of a module's settings is the difference between some site feature working correctly or not—and when you have hundreds or thousands of said checkboxes to check on the new site... the upgrade becomes a much more risky proposition. Sayviget, When and How to Use Vue 3.0 with Craft CMS, Monitor Site Speed With Chrome UX Report and Google Apps Script. annotations are PHP things (which, they took from Java and C#). Most importantly, there are hardly any free themes that look good. They're not going there. 1. This. I never took a comp sci class in my life) chose to expand their knowledge and grow with Drupal 8's new architecture. As a CMS, Drupal is quite flexible and is fully extensible because there is no proprietary code in place. Try to think a bit more out of the box. Caveat to those who read on—you may think I'm trying to disparage Drupal through the rest of this post. You could also drop the whole codebase everywhere and install it. Dries is awesome, but he's entirely too cautious as a leader. #Content Management. Modular core, so that users who do not need the JSON API, or media library, or WYSIWYG integration for everything, do not need to download all those tools, and do not need to apply updates every time a security hole is found in a sub-system they do not use. I have a few D7 clients left. Yes, new for Drupal community, not for PHP community. Ouch. 1. If you are (or know) a great developer we are hiring. The last instance was handed over to another company, it's still alive, and it caused me so much grey hair that I don't want to think about it. Composer is again not made up thing from Drupal but widely adopted tool in PHP community. But the obsession with The Enterprise is taking my Drupal away from me. We want to deliver the ideal solution, and we obsess over quality. It would be a fun and devastating exercise to count the amount of time that has been wasted because of the patch based workflow.
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